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John Henry Bishir (BOETEL)

Male 1881 - 1934  (53 years)


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  • Name John Henry Bishir (BOETEL)  [1
    Born 03 Sep 1881  Indiana Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 29 Sep 1934  Oakland, Ca. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried 02 Oct 1934  Evergreen Cemetery, Oakland, Ca. Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I218  Family Connections
    Last Modified 23 Oct 2012 

    Father William G. BISHIR,   b. Sep 1853,   d. Bef 1934  (Age ~ 80 years) 
    Relationship Natural 
    Mother Wilhelmina (Minnie) M. KANTER,   b. 22 Aug 1863, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Relationship Natural 
    Married 06 Dec 1880  White Co., Indiana Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F65  Group Sheet

    Family Mary Louisa FABIAN,   b. 22 Jul 1885, Sacramento, Ca. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 26 Aug 1987, Red Bluff, Ca. Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 102 years) 
    Children 
     1. Living
     2. Bernice Marjorie (BOETEL),   b. 16 Dec 1912, Sacramento, Ca. Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 04 Mar 1922, Oakland, Alameda, California Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 9 years)
    Family ID F61  Group Sheet

  • Notes 
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      From: Robert Bishir [mailto:bishir@att.net]

      Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:50 AM

      To: Don Worth; Dennis Tivel

      Cc: Carley Worth

      Subject: Re: Boetel

      Thought I would weigh in on the Revolutionary veteran for Lorna. William G. Bishir's mother was Malinda Gillam. Her grandfather Jonathan J. Gillam is recognized by the DAR as a Revolutionary soldier, so all direct female descendants are eligible to join the DAR (males can join the SAR as well). Don and Carley have been kind enough to include Jonathan J. Gillam and some of his descendants on their website. Jonathan's son, John M. had three of his children marry Bishirs.

      Checkout the DAR website for how to join if they are interested. It has all the rules and forms on it.

      Rob Bishir

      From: Don Worth <worth@ucla.edu>

      To: Dennis Tivel <dtivel@charter.net>

      Cc: Carley Worth <carleyworth@ucla.edu>; Rob Bishir <bishir@att.net>

      Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:32:17 PM

      Subject: Re: Boetel

      Dennis & Lorna,

      In a nutshell, John Henry's birth surname was Bishir. His birth father was William G. Bishir (who was born in 1854). When William's wife Minnie remarried, her new husband, Henry Boetel, adopted John Henry and his sister, Lila, and they took the Boetel name. William G Bishir's father was Jeremiah Bishir who was born in Pennsylvania in 1800 and died in Indiana in 1875. Jeremiah had three wives and eighteen children! At the time of the Civil War, Jeremiah would have been 61 years old and son William G. would have been 7 years old. So I think you missed out on having any Civil War soldiers in Lorna's direct Bishir ancestry. (That's what happened in my own family - to my great frustration!)

      W/re to the Rev War, we aren't so sure. Jeremiah Bishir's father was Christopher (or Christian) Bishir who, according to some accounts, was born in Alsace Lorraine on Christmas day, 1759. By others he was born in Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania on that date. Either way, we have looked in Rev War soldier lists and pension records and have found no evidence that he served in the Rev War. There was a note in one source that he might have served in the War of 1812 (or one of his sons did), but the source isn't what I would call too reliable. He was already in Kentucky by that time and I don't think it's too likely. We really need to do a lot more research for Christopher in Kentucky and Pennsylvania - we don't even know his wife's name!

      We are pretty sure about Christopher Bishir's children (although we've never been able to prove definitively that Jeremiah is his son - there is just a preponderance of evidence to that effect.) In fact, we have a DNA test for Rob Bishir who, as you know, is also in Jeremiah's branch, and we've been ardently searching for a male Bishir in one of the "Lynchburg, Ohio" lines to test and confirm this.

      There are some pretty interesting people in the Bishir family that we've come across over our time researching it. An Oklahoma (Indian Territory) lawman. Ranchers. Lumbermen. Even a tugboat captain. And lots of Civil War soldiers in the branches that are collateral to yours. I have a web site for the regiment that two of the Bishirs served in here:

      http://www.48ovvi.org/

      My wife Carley's Great Great Great Grandfather, Jonathan Bishir, who would have been your Jeremiah's younger brother, was an amazement to us. We knew he had served in the 24th Ohio regiment during the Civil War and was discharged after a few months for "overage and lumbago" - he was over 50 at the time he enlisted. But we only found out later when we ordered his pension file that he had previously served in the US Dragoons when they were first formed in the 1830s - was discharged because an army surgeon ruined his arm with too much blood letting for a fever - then, after being discharged during the Civil War, prompted signed up for a cavalry unit (got the $ bounty) and served for a few months before being captured and taken to the infamous Andersonville prison. He languished there for ten months, and was released at the end of the war. He went on to live in the old soldiers home in Dayton, Ohio and died at the age of 76. What a tough old bird he must have been!

      Hope this helps.

      Don

  • Sources 
    1. [S7] World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918, Ancestry.com, (Name: The Generations Network, Inc.; Location: Provo, UT, USA; Date: 2005;), Database online. Roll 1531210, DraftBoard 3..
      Record for John Henry Boetel